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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 20, 2012 3:17pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

freedom of contract! lochner was a bad decision - my kid ought to be able to work 14 hour days at a buck an hour. What the hell has organized labor ever done for anyone? Kind of like the Romans in Jerusalem...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekMstPcFjw0

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 21, 2012 11:00am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

my kid ought to be able to work 14 hour days at a buck an hour...

Good observation, BD! He sure should be ABLE to! Especially if he's learning a trade and gaining experience. And he also should be able to quit for a better job, or barter work for things. FAR too many "Unions" are corrupt bunches of gangsters and thugs, that support our thug "leaders"


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 21, 2012 1:19pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

Believe, I'm not blind to the evils of unions and their organizers - Ray Liotta in Goodfellas was not a work of pure fiction. That said, the labor movement in this country has historically done some good things and there does seem to a full scall attack on organized labor. Once the right to collectively bargain is gone, game over - for both management and labor. As usual, I got no answers - just acerbic observations.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Feb 21, 2012 2:01pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

Agreed, like women's suffrage and abolitionists alike were relevant in context.... but once the job is done it's time to move on. Don't tell Al dulalr Sharpton and Jesse Jackass that the 1964 civil rights act, ECOA, and other legislation has passed to protect black people or they won't have a race hustling career.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 21, 2012 9:36am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

Obama Makes Recess Appointments to NLRB

The Wall Street Journal - By MELANIE TROTTMAN | U.S. NEWS | JANUARY 4, 2012

President Barack Obama used a recess appointment to put two Democrats and one Republican on the National Labor Relations Board.

The move sidesteps Senate approvals to prevent the board from all but ceasing to function this year. It came hours after the president said he would use the same process to install Richard Cordray as head of the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

The appointees include Democratic union lawyer Richard Griffin, Democratic Labor Department official Sharon Block and Republican NLRB lawyer Terence Flynn. The board lost its quorum and much of its decision-making ability on Tuesday when the term of Democrat Craig Becker — an earlier recess appointee — expired. These appointments allow it to fully function again. The moves return the board to its full slate of five members for the first time since August 2010.

A key role of the board is to supervise union elections and referee disputes between the nation's private-sector employers and employees, in part by deciding cases brought to the agency. Without a quorum, the board can't rule on cases or create major new regulations.
• Re: "good"; Re: unions
Organized labor and labor unions in America were able to increase workers' pay, benefits, and job security. They also improved working conditions and safety in the workplace. American factories left the United States because industrial workers became unionized? Edsel and NC should move to China. They would love the non-unionized lifestyle there.

What about the Chinese labor unions? What about the ability of Chinese workers to organize in these huge Foxconn plants building iPads, iPhones, iPods, notebooks, mobile devices, and the majority of internet devices used throughout the world? Why has unionization and labor organizing not occurred at a more rapid and a more developed pace in China?

Labor organization in China is illegal. If you organize a union in China that is separate from the Communist Party, you go to prison if you’re caught by the government. That largely shuts down any sort of serious effort at labor organization. The workers in China live under an authoritarian government. Their circumstances are very controlled.
• Re: Grateful Dead and unions
I have not heard of union troubles affecting GD band members negatively; union troubles affecting GD crew members negatively; union troubles affecting GD sound system negatively; union troubles affecting GD audience negatively. The list of non-offenders is endless. The Monty Python clip BD links to discusses this and reminds us of the fact that it was workers who built our infrastructure. It was workers who were in on every aspect of GD touring and playing shows. Workers built the roads, our cars, the hotels, the restaurants, the water supplies, the sewers, and they also built our schools. Workers built the stadiums, concert halls, theatres, and all the venues which GD played at. Except for the GD organization, GD band members, and the GD crew, I recall seeing non-GD workers running everything else at all of the GD's 2500 or so shows. Workers - not the GD - built ALL of GD's instruments, GD's sound equipment, and GD's taping equipment! Tapers like myself were regular workers. Where does the hate for regular people and workers like myself end?

Conclusion: The GD's business models, ethics, methods, ways and means are entirely due to workers. Without workers, the GD would have evolved as a studio band who was recording non-live Dead albums. Imagine that!

I'm a former soundman-terrorist and music-loving communist. I'm an anarchist Net Neutrality-terrorist, a progressive-peace-terrorist, a taper-terrorist, hippie-terrorist, and I'm a Greenpeace-loving-eco-terrorist same as Jerry. I was born in 1951 when Joseph McCarthy wasn't looking.

The Internet Archive is a bunch of digital librarian-terrorists. They are hosting my vintage Americana tape recordings. They're hosting a WikiLeaks collection. They're hosting my peace and reconciliation essay. The Archive-terrorists are in a conspiracy with everyone here on these Forums since they are hosting The Grateful Dead tape collection. We're terrorists now because we're associating with them. Obama Meets Privately With the Dead - March 30, 2009.

In America today, it's Glenn Beck's way, or the highway. My era is over. I'm a relic. Social and environmental justice and workers' rights are taboo in the 21st century. It's a new America here. I'm thinking same as you are. Denialists and Revisionists are rewriting history. My ticket is punched, and my show is over. I'm sixty. It's Game Over for me! The Greedy one per-cent hate my guts. Who cares? The Greedy One Per-cent are telling The 99 per-cent of us to shut-up, and do everything Wall Street says, which is this:
The 99 per-cent needs to Man-up; be a 'good-American worker'; The Greedy One Per-cent wants to screw you in every possible way; shut-up and become a 'risk-taker'; you can succeed by 're-inventing yourself'; real skills, good jobs, school teachers, and union trades are Pure EVIL; The American Worker's goal is to 'become an Entrepreneur'; American citizens must take on an enormous six-figure debt; then you can 'make it' on 'your own'; you must work hard on the job, 6 days a week, 15 hours a day, 100 hours per week - which ever is longer; if you get sick and can't afford Health Care - just die; The World belongs to The Greedy One Per-cent; Trust in The Market while we screw your future!

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Poster: serious the dog Date: Feb 21, 2012 7:33pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

Thank You.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 22, 2012 7:03am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

You are welcome! Why are workers around the world so pissed off at rich people and the greedy one percent? Greedy billionaires are making excess profits during a severe global financial crisis. What does the CEO of Apple's Partner, Foxconn, think about its electronics and internet workers in China?

Terry Gou - head of Foxconn
thumbnail.php?file=foxconn_225297143.jpg&size=article_medium'Managing One Million Animals Gives Me A Headache'
by Henry Blodget | Business Insider | January 19, 2012

Billionaire Terry Gou is the head of Hon Hai (Foxconn). Foxconn is the largest contract manufacturer in the world. According to WantChinaTimes, Terry Gou had this to say at a recent meeting with his senior managers: "Hon Hai has a workforce of over one million [human beings] worldwide. Human beings are also animals. To manage one million animals gives me a headache!" Gou spoke these words at a recent year-end party. He added that he wants to learn from Chin Shih-chien, the director of the Taipei Zoo, regarding how animals should be managed. Gou not only invited Chin to take part in his company's annual review meeting but also asked all general managers in the group to listen to Chin's lecture, according to the local Common Wealth magazine.

Your iPhone Was Built, In Part, By 13 Year-Olds Working 16 Hours A Day For 70 Cents An Hour
by Henry Blodget | Business Insider | January 15, 2012

This issue concerns a lot more companies than Apple. Almost all of the major electronics manufacturers make their devices in China and other countries that have labor practices that would be illegal in the United States. One difference with Apple, though, is the magnitude of the company's profit margin and profits. Apple could afford to pay its manufacturers more. Apple could hold them to higher standards and still be extremely competitive and profitable.

It's disconcerting to remember that the low prices of our iPhones and iPads — and the super-high profit margins of Apple — are only possible because our iPhones and iPads are made with labor practices that would be illegal in the United States.

And it's also disconcerting to realize that the folks who make our iPhones and iPads not only don't have iPhones and iPads (because they can't afford them), but, in some cases, have never even seen them.

Here are some details about Foxconn's workers that the mainstream press is refusing to report to you:

Foxconn dormitories - Shenzhen, China
Foxconn home• The Chinese city of Shenzhen is where most of our "crap" is made. 30 years ago, Shenzhen was a little village on a river. Now it's a city of 13 million people — bigger than New York.

• Foxconn, one of the companies that builds iPhones and iPads (and products for many other electronics companies), has a factory in Shenzhen that employs 430,000 people.

• There are 20 cafeterias at the Foxconn Shenzhen plant. They each serve 10,000 people.

• One Foxconn worker Mike Daisey interviewed, outside factory gates manned by guards with guns, was a 13-year old girl. She polished the glass of thousands of new iPhones a day.

• The 13-year old said Foxconn doesn't really check ages. There are on-site inspections, from time to time, but Foxconn always knows when they're happening. And before the inspectors arrive, Foxconn just replaces the young-looking workers with older ones.

• In the first two hours outside the factory gates, Daisey meets workers who say they are 14, 13, and 12 years old (along with plenty of older ones). Daisey estimates that about 5% of the workers he talked to were underage.

• Daisey assumes that Apple, obsessed as it is with details, must know this. Or, if they don't, it's because they don't want to know.

• Daisey visits other Shenzhen factories, posing as a potential customer. He discovers that most of the factory floors are vast rooms filled with 20,000 - 30,000 workers apiece. The rooms are quiet: There's no machinery, and there's no talking allowed. When labor costs so little, there's no reason to build anything other than by hand.

• A Chinese working "hour" is 60 minutes — unlike an American "hour," which generally includes breaks for Facebook, the bathroom, a phone call, and some conversation. The official work day in China is 8 hours long, but the standard shift is 12 hours. Generally, these shifts extend to 14-16 hours, especially when there's a hot new gadget to build. While Daisey is in Shenzhen, a Foxconn worker dies after working a 34-hour shift.

• Assembly lines can only move as fast as their slowest worker, so all the workers are watched (with cameras). Most people stand.

• The workers stay in dormitories. In a 12-by-12 cement cube of a room, Daisey counts 15 beds, stacked like drawers up to the ceiling. Normal-sized Americans would not fit in them.

• Unions are illegal in China. Anyone found trying to unionize is sent to prison.

• Daisey interviews dozens of (former) workers who are secretly supporting a union. One group talked about using "hexane," an iPhone screen cleaner. Hexane evaporates faster than other screen cleaners, which allows the production line to go faster. Hexane is also a neuro-toxin. The hands of the workers who tell him about it shake uncontrollably.

• Some workers can no longer work because their hands have been destroyed by doing the same thing hundreds of thousands of times over many years (mega-carpal-tunnel). This could have been avoided if the workers had merely shifted jobs. Once the workers' hands no longer work, obviously, they're canned.

• One former worker had asked her company to pay her overtime, and when her company refused, she went to the labor board. The labor board put her on a black list that was circulated to every company in the area. The workers on the black list are branded "troublemakers" and companies won't hire them.

• One man got his hand crushed in a metal press at Foxconn. Foxconn did not give him medical attention. When the man's hand healed, it no longer worked. So they fired him. (Fortunately, the man was able to get a new job, at a wood-working plant. The hours are much better there, he says — only 70 hours a week).

• The man, by the way, made the metal casings of iPads at Foxconn. Daisey showed him his iPad. The man had never seen one before. He held it and played with it. He said it was "magic."

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 22, 2012 8:14am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

OCCUPY CHINA! Btw, how many US Companies in China really care about any workers rights there? I bet a few Democrat affiliated ones don't give a shit either. Greed is greed, Obama and also most of the Republicans in the chase make me want to puke blood

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 22, 2012 9:20am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

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Why is the iPad the must-have celeb accessory?
Everyone loves their iPhones and iPads. Everyone loves the prices of their iPhones and iPads. And everyone loves Apple's super-high profit margins. But the fact remains that these prices and product margins are only possible because iPhones, iPods, and iPads are built using labor practices and industrial processes that would be illegal in the United States and Europe.

Stephen Colbert got his new iPad a few days before the rest of the public could buy one. (Image Credit: Screenshot by Erica Ogg for CNET - CNET > News - April 5, 2010)
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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 22, 2012 11:23am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/nightline-apple-supplier-foxconn_n_1293393.html

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 22, 2012 11:33am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

Good! lets pull out of China and bring the job's back to the USA and buy american. Let china plunder their side of the world. I'd be happy to work at minimum wage!!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 23, 2012 6:13am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: U.S. Congress destroys the National Labor Relations Board!

Re: the Nightline "news" story — "Foxconn is not like working anywhere else. Safety nets were installed between buildings after a spate of workers committed suicide in 2010. Apple CEO Tim Cook, then Apple's COO, flew to Shenzhen following the series of suicides and put together a team of experts to examine the issue. These experts recommended installing safety nets. There have been 18 worker suicides at Foxconn since 2010. According to Nightline, this is well below China's national average."

Nightline runs on ABC-TV. Disney owns and operates the ABC broadcast television network. This Nightline show is owned and operated by The Disney Company. Will they continue reporting this story, and will they continue this conversation?

Suicides are prevalent amongst Foxconn workers. Most of them have leaped to their deaths very publicly, committing suicide on the job. Dangerous working conditions caused several of them to get killed on May 20, 2011 in a huge Foxconn plant explosion. Three internet workers died on the job for Foxconn in Chengdu, China - killed in an explosion on Apple's i-Pad2 production line. The explosion was due to an unsafe build-up of fine aluminum dust that comes from polishing Apple's devices. This explosion has been thoroughly investigated, documented, and ignored! Foxconn Technology Group's slave workers are The People manufacturing most of the internet devices we are using!

Below, a man walks past a building surrounded by safety netting at the Longhua Science & Technology Park, also known as Foxconn city, in Shenzhen, China. Photographer: Forbes Conrad | Bloomberg

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• Foxconn and Apple installed anti-suicide safety nets for their workers •

cook_hero20110204.pngApple Press Info — Tim Cook, CEO

Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple and serves on its Board of Directors.


Before being named CEO in August 2011, Tim was Apple's Chief Operating Officer and was responsible for all of the company’s worldwide sales and operations, including end-to-end management of Apple’s supply chain, sales activities, and service and support in all markets and countries. He also headed Apple’s Macintosh division and played a key role in the continued development of strategic reseller and supplier relationships, ensuring flexibility in response to an increasingly demanding marketplace.

Prior to joining Apple, Tim was vice president of Corporate Materials for Compaq and was responsible for procuring and managing all of Compaq’s product inventory. Previous to his work at Compaq, Tim was the chief operating officer of the Reseller Division at Intelligent Electronics.

I, Monte Barry, am 60 years old. I taped the Grateful Dead numerous times in 1973, beginning on June 9 and 10, at RFK Stadium. The Grateful Dead used Ampex audio tape decks dozens of times to record their SBDs, albums, and other commercial releases. I also taped many other bands in the mid-1970s. I worked 3 years as a soundman through 1976. Then I worked for Ampex for 6 years, beginning in 1979. Ampex invented the videotape recorder in 1955.

Awards for Technical Excellence issued to Ampex for products and technology Ampex developed during the period 1957 - 1990 include eleven Emmy Awards, a Grammy Award, and an Oscar.

Alembic developed and produced much of the equipment that was used by the Grateful Dead for their famous "wall of sound" PA System in 1973 and 1974. Ron Wickersham, one of Alembic's founders, worked previously as an audio engineer for Ampex. Alembic is best known for making fine modern guitars and basses.

Apple's safety nets at Foxconn plants
foxconn-safety-nets,I-E-253382-13.jpgI've worked over 30 years in electronics. Ampex never had any explosions in their main Audio-Video Systems Division factory in Colorado Springs. I worked in this factory. It was 239,000 square feet. Ampex workers were not getting killed there on the job. Ampex had other manufacturing plants and buildings that operated in Redwood City, Mountain View, and Sunnyvale, California. We never installed any anti-suicide safety nets around any of the Ampex buildings.

Ampex Magnetic Tape Division was headquartered in Opelika, Alabama. This made Ampex a manufacturer of both tape recorders and magnetic tape. Ampex's taping products were much in demand by top audio and video recording studios worldwide. Ampex factories operated for many years during the '60s, '70s, '80s, and '90s. I worked in Colorado for Ampex as a factory electronics technician for 3 years. I also worked 3 more years with Ampex as a field service engineer in the NYC area. Ampex workers were not severely stressed out and subjected to harsh working conditions. In fact, no Ampex workers ever committed suicide due to these reasons.

Ampex technicians and engineers were and are very highly regarded by Broadcasters, Cable TV Networks, NAB, SMPTE, AES, and other professional organizations. Ampex technicians and engineers were and are among the highest sought-after, and highest-paid, workers in Broadcasting. I epitomize this fact.

Alembic never had any explosions in their main facility. Alembic workers are not getting killed there on the job, nor have I ever heard of any of them committing suicide due to being subjected to harsh working conditions.

Recording credits for GD's Europe '72 tour:
Alembic Sound recorded the tapes for the GD's Europe '72 album. Alembic recorded all of the 16-track tapes for the entire Europe '72 tour's boxed set that Rhino recently released. Before the Dead's Europe '72 tour, Ron Wickersham modified their Ampex 16-track recorder to accept 14-inch reels, which helped minimize reel flips. He achieved this by taking the guts of the machine out of the Ampex MM-1000 audio tape deck frame and putting it into an Ampex VR-1200 video tape deck frame.

Monte Barry's Taper Compendium

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This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2012-02-23 14:13:36